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Should my company pay for this?

A really common question asked by people who are new to limited companies - should I set up the direct debit for the company’s accounting fees from the company’s bank account, or my own?

The answer (which is - from the company’s bank account) is obvious to us, but it’s asked often enough that it’s clearly a reasonable question for a non-accountant to ask.

Extreme examples of companies paying for things might be helpful: you probably would not imagine that Richard Branson buys aeroplanes personally and then claims them back on his expenses from Virgin Atlantic, or that Mark Zuckerberg rents Facebook’s offices himself and gets reimbursed at the end of the month. Those companies happen to be very big, but it’s the same principle for smaller ones too. If an accountancy firm is providing services to a company, the company pays for the service. If the company needs a laptop for a director or employee to use, the company buys a laptop for them to use. If the company needs an office for directors or staff to work in, the company rents space for them to occupy. In fact, generally, directors need pay absolutely no company-related costs themselves at all. If you just set things up so that the company pays for all its own costs in the first place, you’ll have less admin to do - everything gets recorded once and once only. And you’ll have a better idea of where you stand financially - you’re not temporarily impoverished until your expenses are reimbursed, and your company doesn’t look richer than it really is because you’ve temporarily borne a bunch of costs yourself.

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Why isn’t PAYE perfect?

For people earning less than £50,000 who stay in employment all year and who have no other income, PAYE is a great system - it’ll usually collect the exact right amount of tax, spread evenly over the year.

For people earning between £50,000 and £100,000 with no other income, PAYE might get it exactly right, but it might not. Even in the absence of any other income, there are many other things that could affect your tax bill, in that bracket, including High Income Child Benefit Charge, higher rate tax relief on charitable donations and higher rate tax relief on pension contributions.

For people earning over £100,000, it’s highly unlikely that PAYE will get it exactly right. From that point you’ve got all the potential problems from the previous bracket, plus the gradual tapering away of the tax-free personal allowance, which the PAYE system does not cope with well.

For people earning over £125,000, the chance of PAYE getting it exactly right is close to zero. At lower levels, you’ve got a savings allowance, meaning £500 or £1,000 of interest is tax-free. Over £125,000, there’s no allowance, so £1 of interest is going to trigger a tax charge.

And if any of those people have some other form of taxable income, they’re going to have tax to pay. The PAYE system can’t possibly collect the right amount of tax on that, because it doesn’t know how much it is, or even if it exists. The PAYE system *will* try and collect an estimate of how much tax it thinks might be due based on previous years, but unless nothing changes, it won’t be right.

For high earners, the best way to look at PAYE is as a system that tries to collect approximately the right amount of tax, with the final bill to be established via your tax return (or an HMRC calculation if you don’t have to file a return). You can keep an eye on your PAYE coding notices (if you learn how to read them!) to check that HMRC’s estimates are reasonable in the light of what you know about your expected reliefs and other income, but don’t expect the deductions to be objectively correct - just see them as 12 reasonably estimated payments on account towards the eventual bill. And, if you do a tax return, try and get it done as quickly as you can after the end of the tax year so that you know about any shortfall (or receive any refund!) as soon as possible!

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